Spring 2008 CLAS-E116/W April Exchanges
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This page shares e-mailed questions, conversations — exchanges
— bewteen students and Professor Nagy and the TFs on topics
related to class Dialogues. The e-mails are edited for format
On April 25 Nik Galanis wrote:
By the way, following dialogue 15, the system used by Agamemnon
to notify Mycenae for the fall of Troy, is called fryktories.
I also attach a map of Greece from the OTE (Hellenic Organization
of Telecommunications) Museum, showing the fryktories.
Concerning also Claude Chappe's semaphore system mentioned by
Greg, I am almost certain there is a reference in a Three Musketeers
adventure, as light signs between Calais and Dover, but I am afraid
I can not remember in which. Of course the events in Dumas' play
are around 1630AD, but Dumas himself introduced the Three Musketeers
in 1844, the same year Morse invented the telegraph.
I am attaching the fryctories.jpgs. The sites depicted on the
map are the same as mentioned by Aeschylus: *Troy (mount Idi)
- Ermaio Limnou - Athos - Makisto Euboias - Messapio Biotias -
Kitheronas - Aegiplagto - Arachneo - Mycenae.
Click below for the images:
On April 23 Nik Galanis wrote:
Regarding Dialogue 17: 'Man is the dream of a shade' reminds
me of the poem of 24 verses by E.A. Poe:
A dream within a dream
'Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow-
You are not wrong, who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.
I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand-
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep- while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?'
and Prospero's words in Shakespeare's Tempest:
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.- ...'
Walt Witman's dreaming of present and future reminds me of Steinbeck's
Grapes of Wrath when Tom Joad utters:
'*Ma*: Then what, Tom?
*Tom*: Then it don't matter. I'll be all around in the dark. I'll
be everywhere, wherever you can look. Wherever there's a fight
so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop
beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell
when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry
and they know supper's ready and where people are eatin' the stuff
they raise and livin' in the houses they build. I'll be there,
*Ma*: I don't understand it, Tom.
*Tom*: Me, neither, Ma, but - just somethin' I been thinkin' about.'
Allen Ginsberg's reference of Charon perhaps reminds of Chris
de Burgh's 'Don't pay the ferryman' ?
for Nikiforos' Paper 2. (PDF format)